Friday, May 15, 2009

ESM demands in Punjab..OROP

Dear Members,
An article regarding ESM demands for pension in Punjab News Line is placed below for info.
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Cdr SS Ahuja (Retd)
Web Master NFDC
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PunjabNewslinehttp://www.punjabnewsline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16593&Itemid=99999999
Ex-servicemen demands to placeHavildars in pay band PB 2
GAGANDEEP AHUJA
Tuesday, 12 May 2009

PATIALA: Indian Ex-Services League Punjab & Chandigarh, the oldest and a non-political body of ex-servicemen has asked the committee formed by Centre Govt. under the Chairmanship of Secretary (Ex-Servicemen Affair) S.M. Acharya to place Havildars and equivalent in pay-band, PB-2.
The league said that these non-commissioned officers form the real backbone of the Armed Forces and enjoy the same position as their counter parts, Lt. Cols. and equivalent, in the cadre of commissioned officers. Sgt. Prabhjot Singh Chhatwal PLS Retd., President, Indian Ex-Services League, Punjab & Chandigarh said in a press release Tuesday that It was a pity that none of the senior officers, who spearheaded the demand of placing Lt. Cols. in PB-4, spoke even a single word when they found these senior non-commissioned officers having been placed in PB-1 along with class IV employees which caused a tremendous frustration among the PBORs. The league has, further stressed upon the committee to re-allocate Sub. Major to pay-band, PB-3 if it really intends to arrest the heart burning among the PBORs caused by the recommendations / implementation of Sixth Pay Commission, He added.
The League has reiterated its demand of raising minimum pension (applicable to reservist only) to Rs. 4600/= PM (Basic Pay 5200 + Gr.Pay 2000+ MSP 2000 divided by 2) on the same analogy as it has fixed Rs. 3500/= PM (Basic Pay 5200+Gr.Pay 1800 divided by 2) for the civilian employees Sixth Pay Commission has separated soldiers from civilian by granting MSP (Military Service Pay) to the former at the rate of Rs. 2000/= for PBORs and Rs. 6000/= for officers. As such, granting of Rs. 3500/= PM as minimum pension to service personnel is not justified by any stretch of law.
The League has further demanded a pension of Rs. 6000/=PM for Sepoy, Rs. 7000/= for Nk. Rs. 9000/= for Havildar Rs. 10,000/= PM for Nb. Sub. Rs. 11,000/= for Sub. and Rs. 13,000/=PM for Sub. Majors and equivalents till the committee is in a position to grant ONE RANK ONE PENSION to the soldiers.
League has sought the support of all likeminded organizations of ex-servicemen (both PBORs and officers) and also the senior officers in IESM if they sincerely wish to stand by the PBORs as many of them apparently claim to do so in this respect.
The league has reminded the committee that PBORs count for 96% of the total strength in the Armed forces and they have been crushed by the partial recommendation and faltered implementation of pay commission report. In the Armend Forces, Havildars and below, who retire before the age of 40 years, count for 85% where as J.C.O. form a chunk of 11% and the strength of officers is only 4%. A gross injustice has been done to middle ranking PBORs, Hav. and equivalent which needs to be corrected at the earliest.
In case nothing is done to assuage the feeling of PBORs, situation is likely to explode to an uncontrollable extent for which the govt. in power at the center will be, solely, held responsible.

16(6)/2008/(1)/D(Pension/Policy) dated 04 May 09 and 16(6)/2008/(2)/D(Pension/Policy) dated 05 May 09

GOI MOD Letters 16(6)/2008/(1)/D(Pension/Policy) dated 04 May 09 and 16(6)/2008/(2)/D(Pension/Policy) dated 05 May 09
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Ref (v): Authority- GOI MOD letter No 16(6)/2008 (1))/
D(Pension/Policy) dated 04th May 2009
Sub: Implementation of the Govt decision on the recommendations of the Sixth Central Pay Commission-Rationalisation of Casualty Pensionary Awards for the Armed Forces Officers and Personnel Below Officer Rank (PBOR) retired/ discharged/died/invalided out from service prior to 01.01.2006
Sir,
1. I am directed to refer this Ministry’s letter No 17(4)/ 2008 (1)/ D(Pen/ Policy) dated 11.11.2008 implementing Government decisions on the recommendations of the Sixth Central Pay Commission. Sanction of the President is hereby accorded to the modification of rates of disability/ war injury/special/ liberalized family pensionary awards for the Armed Forces Officers and Personnel Below Officers Rank (PBOR) retired/discharged/died/ invalided out from service prior to 01.01.2006 as under:-
2. Disability/ Liberalised Disability/ War Injury Pension.
2.1 Service Element of Disbility/ Liberalised Disability/ War Injury Pension. Revised service element of Disability/ Liberalised Disability/ War Injury Pension shall continue to be paid in terms of para 4.1 and para 5 of this Ministry’s letter no 17(4)/ 2008(1)/ D( Pen/Policy) dated 11.11.2008.
2.2 Disability/ Element of Disability/ Liberalised Disability Pension. The revised rates of disability element for 100% disability on account of invalidment/ retirement/ discharge are given below. Where the disability of a pensioner is less than 100 %, the amount shall be proportionately reduced as per the degree of disability accepted and for the period notified in the PPO.
Rank
Amount p.m.
i) Commissioned Officers and Honorary Commissioned Officers of the three Services, MNS,TA and DSC
Rs. 5,880/-
ii) Junior Commissioned Officers and equivalent ranks of the three Services, TA and DSC
Rs. 4,300/-
iii) Other ranks of the three Services, TA and DSC
Rs. 3,510/-
Note: Where only disability element is drawn in isolation, the above rates will not be applicable and such cases will be regulated in terms of para 9. 1 of this Ministry’s letter dated 11.11.2008.
2.3 War Injury Element of War Injury Pension. In case of Armed Forces pensioners who were invalided out/ retired/ discharged from service prior to 1.1.2006 and are in receipt of War Injury element of War Injury Pension as on
1-1-2006, the revised rates of War Injury element for 100% disability are as given below. Where the disability of a pensioner is less than 100%, the amount shall be proportionally reduced as per the degree of disability accepted and for the period notified in PPO. Where the War Injury element revised in terms of para 9 read with para 4.1 of this Ministry’s letter dated 11.11.2008, is higher than the amount of War Injury element calculated as above, the same (higher consolidated amount) will be treated as revised War Injury element with effect from 1.1.2006.
Rank
Amount p.m.
i) Commissioned Officers and Honorary Commissioned Officers of the three Services, MNS, TA and DSC
Rs. 11,760/-
ii) Junior Commissioned Officers and equivalent ranks of the three Services, TA and DSC
Rs. 8,600/-
iii) Other ranks of the three Services, TA and DSC
Rs. 7,020/-
3. Constant Attendance Allowance. With effect from 1.1.2006 Constant Attendance Allowance, where payable, shall continue to be admissible under the conditions as hitherto fore at a uniform rate of Rs. 3,000/-pm, irrespective of the rank. Further this rate to be increased by 25% every time the dearness allowance payable on revised Pay Band goes up by 50%.
4. Special / Liberalised Family Pension / Dependent Pension (special) / Dependent Pension (liberalised).

4.1 Families in receipt of Special Family Pension, Liberalised Family Pension, Dependent Pension (special), Dependent Pension (liberalised)/ 2nd life award (in respect of PBOR including NCs(E)), shall draw revised family pension with effect from 1.1.2006 in terms of para 4.1 of this Ministry’s letter dated 11.11.08.
4.2 The amount of revised consolidated special family pension, granted to the families of Armed Forces personnel under the circumstances prescribed under category ‘B’ & ‘C’ of para 4.1 of this Ministry’s letter dated 31.1.2001, will be subject to a minimum of Rs. 7,000/- per month.
4.3 The amount of revised consolidated liberalized family pension, granted to the child/ children of Armed Force personnel under the circumstances prescribed under category ‘D’ & ‘E’ of para 4.1 of this Ministry’s letter dated 31.1.2001, will be subject to a minimum of Rs. 7,000/- per month.
5. Dearness Relief. Dearness Relief shall be admissible only beyond average AICPI 536 (Base year 1982 = 100) on the revised pattern introduced vide Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievances and Pension, Department of Pension and Pensioners’ Welfare Office Memorandum No. 42/2/2008-P&PW (G) dated 12.9.2008 on various types of pension/ family pension admissible under the provisions of this letter.
6. All Pension Disbursing Agencies (PDAs) handling disbursement of pension to the Defence pensioners are hereby authorised to pay revised disability/ liberalized disability/ war injury pension/ special/ liberalized family pension to the existing pensioners under these orders without any further authorization from the concerned Pension Sanctioning Authorities. However, PCDA (Pensions) Allahabad will issue further suitable implementation instructions while circulating these orders to all the PDAs concerned. Action as prescribed in para 16.4 of this Ministry’s letter dated 11.11.2008 may also be taken by the PDAs in the cases covered under these orders.
7. This issues with concurrence of the Finance Division of this Ministry vide their UO No.1527/09/D(Fin/Pen) dated 27.4.2009.
Yours faithfully
Sd/-
( Harbans Singh)
Director (Pen/Policy)
Ref (v): Authority- GOI MOD letter No 16(6)/2008 (2)) / D(Pension/
Policy) dated 05th May 2009.
Sub: Implementation of the Govt decision on the recommendations
Of the Sixth Central Pay Commission –Revision of provisions
regulating Pensionary Awards relating to Disability Pension/
War Injury Pension/ Special Family Pension/ Liberalized
Family Pension/ Dependent Pension(special)/ Dependent
Pension(liberalized/ Special Invalid Pension for the Armed
Forces Officers and Personnel Below Officers Rank (PBOR)
retiring/discharged / invalided out from service or dying in
harness on or after 01.01. 2006 .
Sir ,
The undersigned is directed to state that in pursuance of Government decisions on the recommendations of the Sixth Central Pay Commision, sanction of the President is hereby accorded to the notification, to the extent specified in this letter, in the rules/ regulations concerning above mentioned pensionary benefits of the Commissioned Officers(including MNS, Territorial Army Officers, Emergency Commissioned Officers, Short Service Commissioned Officers) and Personnel Below Officers Rank (PBOR) of the three services including NCs (E) of Air Force, Defence Security Corps and the Territorial Army (hereinafter collectively referred to as Armed Forces personnel).
The provisions of the pension regulations for the three Services and
various Service instructions/ Government orders, which are not affected by the provisions of this letter, will remain unchanged.
Date of Effect.
2.1 The provisions of this letter shall apply to the Armed Forces personnel who were in service on 1.1.2006 or joined / join service thereafter unless otherwise specified in this letter.
2.2 Where pension has already been sanctioned provisionally or otherwise in cases occurring on or after 1.1.2006, the same would be revised in terms of these orders. In cases where pension has been finally sanctioned under the pre- revised orders and if it happens to be more beneficial than the pension becoming due under these orders, the pension already sanctioned shall not be revised to the disadvantage of the pensioner.
Definitions.
Reckonable Emoluments.
3.1 Unless otherwise specified in this letter, the term ‘Reckonable Emoluments’ shall mean:
For Officers. Pay means pay in pay band, grade pay , military
service pay and non-practicising allowance where applicable, last drawn by the officer(ref SAI 2/S/08, SNI 2/S/08 and SAFI 2/S/08).
For Personnel Below Officers Rank (PBOR). Pay means pay in pay band, grade pay, military service pay, ‘X’ Group pay where applicable and Classification allowance, if any, last drawn by the individual. ( ref SAI 1/S/08, SNI 1/S/08 and SAFI 1/S/08).
3.2 In the case of individuals who opt/ opted to continue to draw pay in the pre-revised scales beyond 31.12.2005 and remain/ remained in that scale till retirement /discharge/ invalidment/ death in harness, pension/ family pension and retirement/ death gratuity shall be regulated in terms of para 3.4 of Ministry of Defence letter no 17(4)/2008 (2)/D (Pen/Policy) dt 12.11.2008.
4. War Injury Pension/ Liberalised Family Pension shall also be admissible to such Armed Forces personnel who die or are invalided out of service on sustaining injury during trials of indigenously developed weapon system and ammunition.
5. Special/ Invalid Pension
5.1 Special Pension to PBOR. The minimum service required for grant of special pension shall continue to be 10 years in the case of Combatants and 15 years in the case of NCs (E). Where the service is less than 10 years in the case of Combatants and less than 15 years in the case of NCs (E), special gratuity will continue to be admissible.
5.2 Invalid Pension. The minimum service required for grant of Invalid pension will continue to be 10 years and shall be computed as per para 6 of this Ministry’s letter dated 12.11.2008. Where service is less than 10 years, invalid gratuity will be admissible.
6. Disability/ War Injury/ Liberalised Disabilty Pension on Inavalidment.
6.1 As hithertofore, disability/ war injury/ liberalised disability pension in invalidment cases will consist of service element and disability/ war injury element and shall continue to be admissible under the provisions laid down in para 7, 10 and 12 of this Ministry’s letter no 1(2)/97/D (Pen-C) dated 31.1.2001 respectively, subject to the amount to be arrived at in the manner and at the rates specified in the succeeding paras.
6.2 Service Element of Disability/Liberalised Disability/War Injury Pension. The amount vof service element shall be equal to retiring/ service pension determined as per para 6 of this Ministry’s letter no 17(4)/ 2008 (2)/ D(Pen/Policy) dated12.11.2008 subject to minimum of Rs 3,500/- per month. There shall be no condition of minimum qualifying service having been actually rendered for earning this element, if otherwise admissible.
6.3 Disability Element of Disability Pension/ Liberalized Disability Pension. The rates of disability element for 100% disability for various ranks shall be 30% of emoluments last drawn subject to minimum of Rs 3,100/- per month for 100% disability, For disability less than 100%, it shall be reduced proportionately. In cases of disability pension where permanent disability is not less than 60% the disability pension (i.e. total of service elements plus disability element) shall not be less than 60% of the reckonable emoluments last drawn subject to a minimum of Rs 7,000/- per month.
6.4 War Injury Element of War Injury Pension. The rates of war injury element for 100% disability for various ranks shall be equal to the reckonable emoluments last drawn which would be proportionately reduced where disability is less than 100%. However, in no case aggregate of service element and war injury element should exceed the emoluments last drawn.
6.5 The provisions of para 7.2 of this Ministry’s letter no. 1(2)/97/D (Pen-C) dated 31.1.2001 for reckoning of disability or functional incapacity shall continue for the purpose of computing disability element/ war injury element.
7. Disability/ War Injury Element/ Liberalised Disability Element on Retirement/ Discharge.
7.1 Disability element/ war injury element/ liberalised disability element on retirement/ discharge from service shall continue to be regulated under the provisions of para 8, 11 and 12 respectively of this Ministry’s letter no. 1(2)/ 97/ D(Pen-C) dated 31.1.2001 at the rates given below:
(a) Disability element/ liberalised disability element shall be admissible at the rate mentioned in para 6.3 above; and
(b) War injury element shall be admissible @ 60% of reckonable
emoluments last drawn subject to minimum of Rs.6,200/-per month for
100% disability. For disability of less than 100%, the war injury element
shall be proportionately reduced.
7.2 Retiring/ Service pension or retiring/ service gratuity, as admissible, will be paid in addition to disability element/ war injury element from the date of retirement/ discharge.
7.3 The aggregate of service element and liberalized disability element shall not be less than 80% of the reckonable emoluments last drawn.
7.4 However, in no case the aggregate of service element and war injury element should exceed emoluments last drawn.
8. Constant Attendance Allowance. Constant Attendance Allowance shall continue to be admissible under the conditions as hithertofore. However, it shall be admissible at a uniform rate of Rs.3,000/- per month, irrespective of the rank. Further this rate be increased by 25% every time the dearness allowance payable on revised pay band goes up by 50%.
9. Special/ Liberalised Family Pension/ Dependent Pension (special)/ Dependent Pension (liberalised).
9.1 Special family pension, liberalised family pension, dependent pension (special),dependent pension (liberalized)/ 2nd life award (in respect of PBORs including NCs(E)), shall continue to be regulated at the rates and under the conditions laid down in this Ministry’s letter no. 1(2)/ 97/ D(Pen-C) dated 31.01.2001 subject to the reckonable emoluments as defined under para 3 of this Ministry’s letter no. 17(4)/ 2008(2)/ D(Pen/Policy) dated 12.11.2008.
9.2 The amount of special family pension admissible to the families of Armed Forces personnel under the circumstances prescribed under category ‘B’ & ‘C’ of para 4.1 of this Ministry’s letter dated 31.1.2001, will be subject to a minimum of Rs. 7,000/- per month.
9.3 The amount of liberalized family pension, admissible to the child/ children of Armed Forces personnel under the circumstances prescribed under category ‘D’ & ‘E’ of para 4.1 and 6.2 of this Ministry’s letter dated 31.1.2001, will be subject to a minimum of Rs. 7,000/- per month.
GENERAL
10. Rounding off of Pensionary Awards. The amount of various pensionary awards admissible as per this letter shall be rounded off to the next higher rupee by Pension Sanctioning Authorities (PSAs).
11. Minimum/ Maximum Pension. If the amount of any monthly pension (excluding Constant Attendance Allowance) admissible under the provisions of this letter works out to less than Rs. 3,500/- pm, it shall be stepped up to
Rs. 3,500/- pm and authorised for payment at this rate. Disability element shall not be taken into account for the purpose of stepping up of service element to the minimum level of Rs. 3,500/- pm. There will be no maximum ceiling on the amount of pension determined under these orders.
12. Dearness Relief. Dearness Relief shall be admissible only beyond average AICPI 536 (Base year 1982 = 100) on the revised pattern introduced vide Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievances and Pension, Department of Pension and Pensioners’ Welfare Office Memorandum no. 42/ 2/ 2008-P&PW(G) dated 12.09.2008 on various types of pension/ family pension admissible under the provisions of this letter.
13. Procedure for sanction of Revised Pension in respect of those already retired. The procedure for revision of pensionary awards as per provisions of this letter, in respect of Armed Forces personnel who have already retired/ discharged/ invalided out/ died on or after 1.1.2006 and in whose cases pensionary benefits at pre-revised rates have already been notified, the record offices concerned in case of PBORs and CDA(O), Pune/ Naval Pay Office, Mumbai/ AFCAO, New Delhi, as the case may be , in respect of Commissioned Officers, will initiate and forward revised LPC-cum-data sheet as prescribed by PCDA(Pensions), Allahabad to their respective Pension Sanctioning Authorities (PSAs) for issue of corrigendum PPOs notifying the revised pensionary awards. Further implementation instruction to all concerned will be issued by PCDA (Pensions), Allahabad immediately on receipt of these orders.
14. Relevant provisions of the Pension Regulations for the three Services will be amended in due course.
15. This issue with the concurrence of the Finance Division of this Ministry vide their UO No. 1527/ 09/ D(Fin/Pen) dated 27.4.2009.
Yours faithfully
-Sd/-
(Harbans Singh)
Director(Pen/Policy)

Monday, May 4, 2009

Navy Instructions 2/S/2008 and 3/S/2008

Information’s hosted on IRFC website:-
(a) Special Navy Instruction 2/S/2008 regarding recommendations of Sixth Central Pay Commission fixation of Pay and Allowances/ Concessions in respect of officers

(b) Amendments to Special Navy Instruction 2/S/2008 regarding revision of pay scales, fixation of initial pay in the revised Pay Bands, Grade Pay and Military Service Pay.

(c) Special Navy Instruction 3/S/2008 regarding pay fixation of officers holding acting rank of Capt and Capt TS.

3. The information can be accessed by logging on to IRFC website at
http://www.irfc-nausena.nic.in/ and opening retired page.

News Reports...OROP..4 May 2009

Dear Members,
Pls find two news articles related to OROP down below.
Regards
Cdr SS Ahuja (retd)
Web Master NFDC
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Thaindian News

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/uncategorized/panel-formed-on-one-rank-one-pension-demand_100188182.html

Panel formed on one-rank-one-pension demand

May 4th, 2009 - 7:01 pm ICT by IANS

New Delhi, May 4 (IANS) Shaken by the large numbers of ex-servicemen returning their medals to protest the government’s rejection of their demand for one-rank-one-pension, a high level committee has been formed under Cabinet Secretary K.M. Chandrasekhar to examine the extent to which this could be achieved.“The defence ministry is of the view that while accepting the demand for one-rank-one-pension is not feasible administratively, a case exists for bringing the pension of those retiring before 1996-97 at par with those who retired after that,” an official said Monday.

“The gap between them has widened after implementing the recommendations of the Sixth Pay Commission,” the official added.

Ex-servicemen have so far returned some 13,000 medals won in combat or for distinguished service to President Pratibha Patil, who is the supreme commander of the armed forces. Patil has not met the protesters, who have handed over the medals in three batches to a member of her staff.

The Indian Ex-Servicemen’s Movement (IESM) says that irrespective of the date on which a soldier retires, he or she should get the same pension.

It points out that a army sepoy who retired before 1996 gets a monthly pension of Rs.3,670, while one who retired between 1996 and December 2005 gets Rs.4,680. A sepoy who retired after January 2006 gets Rs.8,700.

Effectively then, an army havildar, who retired before 1996, gets a pension that is less than that of a sepoy retiring after January 2006 though the havildar enjoys a higher rank. The mismatch applies to all ranks.

The government had earlier this year rejected the one-rank-one-pension demand, pointing to the logistical and financial problems it would create.

“The demand for one-rank-one-pension stands already examined in detail and was not found acceptable due to administrative, financial and legal reasons,” Minister of State for Defence M.M. Pallam Raju had said in a written reply in the Rajya Sabha Feb 18.

“However, the government is also examining whether certain improvements can be made in the pension being given to the old pensioners,” Raju added.

He pointed out that pension benefits of personnel below officer rank (PBOR), particularly of the three ranks of sepoy, naik and havildar, were significantly increased Jan 1, 2006, by increasing weightage from 5 years to 10, 8 and 6 years, respectively.

This apart, the pension of pre-Jan 1, 1996 retirees is being computed with reference to the maximum of the payscale introduced on that date, Raju added.

“In consultation with the Ministry of Finance, the benefits thus accrued to PBORs have been allowed to be retained while revisiting their pension,” Raju pointed out.
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High-level committees to look at ex-servicemen's 'One Rank, One Pension' demand

http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090504/808/tnl-high-level-committees-to-look-at-ex.html
Mon, May 4 05:35 PM

New Delhi, May 4 (ANI): Heeding the long held demand of retired defence personnel, the Government has constituted two high-level committees to look into the various issues concerning 'One Rank, One Pension' of ex-servicemen.

In the absence of 'One Rank-One Pension', anomalies in the pension of two persons of same rank arise and also there are instances of hundreds of war veterans drawing lower amount of pension as compared to personnel who retired in the recent past.

The Government has constituted a high level committee headed by the Cabinet Secretary to reduce the gap in the pensionary benefits to soldiers and officers and bring it as close to 'One Rank, One Pension'.

"The other members of the committee are Defence Secretary, Home Secretary, Secretary (Personnel), Secretary (Expenditure), and Secretary (Ex-Servicemen Welfare)," said a senior Defence ministry source.

Financially the decision will additionally cost the government around 500-600 crore per annum and would be much less than the estimated financial liability for grant of OROP, the source said.
The other committee set up by the Ministry of Defence will be headed by Secretary (Defence Finance), Indu Liberhan, to sort out anomalies in the implementation of orders relating to armed forces pensioners.

The Sixth Pay Commission report had recommended 50 per cent weightage for armed forces PBORs during retirement, whereas earlier they would receive 70 per cent weightage until rehabilitated in other paramilitary forces.

By Praful Kumar Singh (ANI)
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HAG + for Vice Admiral's

Dear Members,
A modified brief based on the inputs from Maj Navdeep Singh on the issue of grant of HAG+ is attached for your info please.

Regards

Vice Admiral Harinder Singh (retd)
President

NFDCC 26, Sector 23, Noida 201301Tel 0120-2412412, 9811668776
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Lieutenant Generals and HAG+,

The placement of 33% Lt Generals in HAG+ has both upsides and downsides. However some of the anger against the move is misplaced. Some clarifications are given below.

True : Only 33% Vice Admirals and equivalent would be promoted to HAG+ Also True. Yes, only 33 Vice Admirals would be able to attain HAG+. The fact is that at any given point of time, only 33% of total number Vice Admirals (excluding Army Commanders and equivalent) would be placed in HAG+.
As the top Vice Admirals retire, the ones junior down the chain shall get placed in HAG+ by seniority. Hence ultimately, in the present situation , most of the Vice Admirals sholuld retire from HAG+ and the percentage should further go up with time.

Common Belief : HAG+ is applicable only to Vice Admirals of the X Branch and the Govt should have (and could have) granted HAG+ to all Vice Admirals. Reality : There is no discrimination between Branches. All Vice Admirals can be placed in HAG+ by seniority.
The HAG+ is a promotional upgradation from HAG with a minimum amount of residency period required in HAG in consonance with the respective service rules. There is no service under the Govt where an officer can move up from SAG level directly into HAG+ and there is no service or cadre wherein 100% officers of the HAG are promoted to HAG+. The number of officers moving up from HAG to HAG+ in every service remains quite low.
There is no practice anywhere in the govt of placing all officers of a cadre in HAG+. Common Belief : The 6th CPC had lowered the status of Vice Admirals and the placement of 33% Vice Admirals HAG+ is not a rectification of that anomaly

Also True : The 6th CPC has not tinkered with the status of Vice Admirals. Even after the 5th CPC, Vice Admirals were lower than DsGP in pay. The following was the pay equation of Three Star officers of the IPS and the Defence Services post-5th CPC which was continued by the 6th CPC : Addl DGP = Vice Admirals DGP Selected DGP CPOs = Vice Admirals (Cs in C) After placement of 33% Lt Gens in HAG+, following is the situation now : Addl DGP = Vice Admirals DGP = Vice Admirals (top 33%) Selected DGP CPOs / DGP (One Cadre post) = Vice Admirals (Army Commanders )

Comments. While some officers have argued (and in a sense rightfully so !!) that the Military should have refused the 33% offer, it is also true that if we do not accept the 33% figure, it would have resulted in all Vice Admirals remaining below DsGP. It was nothing or something, and in such a situation, ‘something’ may have been a better choice by the services - while the scope of further improvement always remains.

In the ultimate analysis, this should be better than shutting the door once and for all. Also, now, Vice Admirals in HAG+ shall now be equated with Special Secys to Govt of India. Other Issues

(a) Pension for pre-2006 Vice Admirals who retired from the erstwhile HAG remains a grey area and Services Headquarters will have to deliberate this issue with the govt. Ideally, the pension of retired Vice Admirals should also be fixed at HAG+ level since from now onwards almost all are going to retire in that grade.

(b) The issue of some Corps Commanders of the Army being in HAG while DsGP of States being in HAG+ needs to be addressed from an operational point of view. However as far as the status equations are concerned, the Warrant of Precedence (amended till 2008) is very clear on this aspect. In the WoP, a Vice Admiral features in Article 24 followed by DsG CPOs on Article 25 while State DsGP are not even listed on the WoP.

Talk By Sir Mark Tully on 30 May 2009 at kotaHouse

Dear Members,

NFDC has arranged a talk "Indian Democracy-- Will it succeed" by
the eminent Speaker Mr Mark Tully for the Veterans on Saturday 30 May 2009 at 1115 hrs at Kota House Gold Roon.

Ladies are invited and a special Lunch has also been arranged after the
session at 1245 hrs.
Kindly give your tentative confirmation of attending the same.
Regards

Cdr SS Ahuja (Retd)
Web Master NFDC